I think going beyond the stupid l vs. r debate is what's important. Don't be obsessed with that. Treat your neighbor kindly; don't murder. That is the lesson. Nothing about what this "influential" persons said. The lesson is that we need to come together. There has always been the "right" and the "left." Who gives a damn? By getting assasinated, Charlie Kirk will help us focus on what does matter: understanding who these trans activists are, eliminating bad actors, recognizing sincere actors, protecting out communities, treating minorities fairly. Wow. What a list I just made. Aren't those the important things. Saving a million people from lousy COVID shots? How many people have these globalists and billionaires killed? Bill Gates wants to kill millions of more persons. Those persons died for nothing.
Kirk's death is more meaningful. Looking at history (Socrates, etc.) it is quite easy to understand that it is normal for it to happen this way. Having said that, yeah or course we need MORE GUN CONTROL (ha ha)
what a terrible terrible comment. This sort of thing is rubbish, designed for on-line use only. This has nothing to do with real life. We need to like good, ethical persons and just respectfully steer clear of unethical persons. Or help the unethical persons. Comment such as this one only fuel more fighting, more conflict. Congratulations, you only threw another log onto the fire of human conflagraton. That is all.
well said. so many excellent points. i've been thinking of ways to honor Charlie's death and continue his work. I think you summarized many options well and pitfalls to avoid. thank you.
In addition (to earlier comment) I do not like this. " Justin Hart is here to guide you ..." You do not need to say that. Just lead by example. Basically, Hart is doing fine. But take out the "volitional" stuff. Just do the job right. NO need to proclaim "I am here" or build yourself up like. Ye shall be known by your fruits, not your words or publicity...
Well, Justin... I am a fan. I watched you from the very beginning, so I know what you looked like back them and how quickly your Substack became polished (did you get help, I wonder?) I always like you because you made a lot of sense.
Now I think you are going the wrong direction, in a specfic way. " if you sparred with him and respected the fight, if you believed his voice mattered ..."
It seems to me that all these persons who supposedly have these "views" are taking part if a meaningless circus. Who the hell cares if people are "right" or "left"? R and L have been fighting since after the French Revolution (a person can read about this. The terms date from then).
The fight against the establishment COVID lies is the important thing.
Justin, you are now cheerleading for "don't waste this precious opportunity," etc. Well, I am totally with you. Don't worry. It is not going to be wasted. This man's murder will bring everything into better focus. Everyone can sort of come together now, focused on this one event.
So, I think this: although murder so a crime of course, and we cannot approve of it, this give everyone a focus, a place to actually come together.
So I actually do agree with you on a lot. But not the volitional, or voluntary, part. The murder sets up a perfect situation. We can focus on the eternal, unending "l vs. r" debate and put that into focus. We can focus on violence. We can focus on everything so much more clearly, because we all have the same point of reference now.
I like a lot of what you are saying. But this is not a "cause" of any kind. It is a unique event that will help sincere persons on both sides focus better. I just do not like the idea that your or anyone else needs to do something to make that happen.
This is not another "cause." You do not need to do anything other than contribute your ideas. This is an objective event. It goes beyond the arguments of left or right. It is a seminal event that, while being tragic, will yet do more good tha Kirk could ever have done intoning all the same points of view and feeding all of the exact same controversies that have existed for two hundred years and that never do get settled.
It is about the state of the country RIGHT NOW. How should persons respond to the death of Charlie Kirk? They should avoid extremes and be rational. So, that is what I think.
very well written thank you for your post
- Turning Point needs to continue with more chapters and all age groups to not let his message die.
I think going beyond the stupid l vs. r debate is what's important. Don't be obsessed with that. Treat your neighbor kindly; don't murder. That is the lesson. Nothing about what this "influential" persons said. The lesson is that we need to come together. There has always been the "right" and the "left." Who gives a damn? By getting assasinated, Charlie Kirk will help us focus on what does matter: understanding who these trans activists are, eliminating bad actors, recognizing sincere actors, protecting out communities, treating minorities fairly. Wow. What a list I just made. Aren't those the important things. Saving a million people from lousy COVID shots? How many people have these globalists and billionaires killed? Bill Gates wants to kill millions of more persons. Those persons died for nothing.
Kirk's death is more meaningful. Looking at history (Socrates, etc.) it is quite easy to understand that it is normal for it to happen this way. Having said that, yeah or course we need MORE GUN CONTROL (ha ha)
It is NOT a "both sides" issue.
No assassination attempts on Biden.
No assassination attempts on Kamala.
No assassination attempts on AOC.
No assassination attempts on any other prominent voice on the political left.
No violence from pro-Israeli crowds.
No arrests on the pro-Israeli side.
No calls for death or murder of those who oppose the pro-Israeli side.
Those who oppose gender ideology do not call for the death of those who disagree with them.
Those who oppose movements like BLM did not call for the death of those who took part in the BLM riots.
Social media is not flooded with videos from those on the right celebrating the deaths of those on the left or wishing harm upon them.
It is not a "both sides" issue.
what a terrible terrible comment. This sort of thing is rubbish, designed for on-line use only. This has nothing to do with real life. We need to like good, ethical persons and just respectfully steer clear of unethical persons. Or help the unethical persons. Comment such as this one only fuel more fighting, more conflict. Congratulations, you only threw another log onto the fire of human conflagraton. That is all.
Your words are meaningless.
Let's not make it about me vs. you.
well said. so many excellent points. i've been thinking of ways to honor Charlie's death and continue his work. I think you summarized many options well and pitfalls to avoid. thank you.
Amazing post, Justin. Ignore critical comments. They either didn't read carefully, or are lost
in their grief, anger or ignorance.
Well written and thoughtful but it’s going to be very difficult to apply.
It’s hard to find common ground with people who actually celebrate evil.
you do not find common ground with them. You EXCLUDE them.
In addition (to earlier comment) I do not like this. " Justin Hart is here to guide you ..." You do not need to say that. Just lead by example. Basically, Hart is doing fine. But take out the "volitional" stuff. Just do the job right. NO need to proclaim "I am here" or build yourself up like. Ye shall be known by your fruits, not your words or publicity...
Well, Justin... I am a fan. I watched you from the very beginning, so I know what you looked like back them and how quickly your Substack became polished (did you get help, I wonder?) I always like you because you made a lot of sense.
Now I think you are going the wrong direction, in a specfic way. " if you sparred with him and respected the fight, if you believed his voice mattered ..."
It seems to me that all these persons who supposedly have these "views" are taking part if a meaningless circus. Who the hell cares if people are "right" or "left"? R and L have been fighting since after the French Revolution (a person can read about this. The terms date from then).
The fight against the establishment COVID lies is the important thing.
Justin, you are now cheerleading for "don't waste this precious opportunity," etc. Well, I am totally with you. Don't worry. It is not going to be wasted. This man's murder will bring everything into better focus. Everyone can sort of come together now, focused on this one event.
So, I think this: although murder so a crime of course, and we cannot approve of it, this give everyone a focus, a place to actually come together.
So I actually do agree with you on a lot. But not the volitional, or voluntary, part. The murder sets up a perfect situation. We can focus on the eternal, unending "l vs. r" debate and put that into focus. We can focus on violence. We can focus on everything so much more clearly, because we all have the same point of reference now.
I like a lot of what you are saying. But this is not a "cause" of any kind. It is a unique event that will help sincere persons on both sides focus better. I just do not like the idea that your or anyone else needs to do something to make that happen.
This is not another "cause." You do not need to do anything other than contribute your ideas. This is an objective event. It goes beyond the arguments of left or right. It is a seminal event that, while being tragic, will yet do more good tha Kirk could ever have done intoning all the same points of view and feeding all of the exact same controversies that have existed for two hundred years and that never do get settled.
It is about the state of the country RIGHT NOW. How should persons respond to the death of Charlie Kirk? They should avoid extremes and be rational. So, that is what I think.
p.s. I hope to continue with this...