VIDEO: Full Interview with EpochTV Online

My interview with EpochTV is live here. Watch it here

Jan Jakielek: [00:00:00] Here. I want to go back to this, you know, thing that I was observing back in October of 21. All of these policies are failures and just, it's almost unbelievable. We could go through your book, you know, chapter by chapter cuz it's basically, you know, policy by policy. But, but which are the ones that, that, that.

come to your, which 10 come to your mind, or, you know, well, you can

Justin Hart: go sequentially, right? Mm-hmm. , they, they, first of all, they got the transmission of the disease wrong. They felt that it was primarily coming over droplets, uh, that it was coming over a specific set of all people. We now know that it's likely a very aerosolized disease.

They got that wrong. You then go on to their projections around mortality. At one point, the w h O predicted that this was going to be a, uh, a mortality where three out of a hundred people would die. Dr. Fauci got in front of Congress and he mixed up terms around the fatality rate of people that actually test positive for Covid and are sick, and those that have it and have no.

[00:01:00] He predicted that one out of a hundred people would die. The flu has a mortality of 0.1%. Sure. This has a mortality of 10 times that we now know it's a factor lower than that. In fact, for the vast majority of people, 85% of the country under the age of 65, their mortality, that is their risk of dying is lower than.

Of infl is, is higher than that, of, is lower than influenza, meaning that they're more likely to die if they catch the flu. Um, now when we go on to the next part, they predicted that we were gonna have massive overruns on hospital, uh, you know, stagnation of people getting, uh, pitched there at the, at the er.

Our ERs are still down today. In fact, hospitals are struggling to retain any sort of economic viability because people are still scared to go there. The impacts on that are paramount. Then you think about the silly things they implemented like plexiglass. They implemented that countrywide every single.

Seven 11, uh, even your schools turned into [00:02:00] like a, looked like a, a, a bank teller, uh, with these bulletproof, not glass in front of them. It was, it was disconcerting. It was disorienting, and, and it turns out it was completely useless. The, the CDC came out very quietly. Remove that recommendation for retail and for schools in March of 21.

Not a lot of people know that because they realized, oh, this is actually preventing, uh, a lot of airflow and it's also another place you have to clean. And then you go on to the next intervention. Perhaps the most stringent of it, the stay-at-home orders, the lockdowns, the closing of business. Our first clues that something were wrong were from oncologists who called us and said, either Covid has cured cancer or something else is happening here altogether, because they were seeing half as many patients.

In the spring of 2020, as they were the year before. Not because people weren't getting cancer, they were, they were just too scared to go out and [00:03:00] seek treatment. The impact on that, we're still filling and we'll see. We'll see. We'll see that trickle in here now for years as people discover late stage cancers that they could have caught early on.

then you go onto the next

Jan Jakielek: one. So it wasn't necessarily just treatment, it was also just checking to see if, for example, if you had prostate cancer or

Justin Hart: something. Right, exactly. Those regular checkups there. Yeah. Even 50% of young infants and children missed immunizations over that time because a lot of primary K for care physicians had closed down their shops except for emergency issues.

I mean, the list goes on and on. The quarantining, I think, of children. For the slightest exposure was perhaps the most damaging of the policies that they implemented. Almost everyone agrees that that was wrong while most of the schools were closed down in the spring of 2020. When we came back to school in the fall of 20 and then the the winter of 21, and then on through the next year, the big issue became exposure.

To Covid. [00:04:00] In fact, I would say that the fall and winter of the 2122 school season was far more frustrating and just dreadful for families than it was from earlier times. Because at that point there was a policy implemented almost across the nation that if your kid had the slightest exposure to anyone that had a positive case, they would have to stay home for 10.

This is what made it personal for me. I've got, I've got eight kids. I got a Brady Bunch family, uh, and we have, uh, we have three kids that are under the age of five. And so from the time that Thanksgiving came around in 2021, we had kids at home for the entire rest of the year, missing school. Not because they were sick, but because some student had a positive test that came back and the.

Classroom had to go home for 10 days. Well, and I just

Jan Jakielek: a dreadful experience. I just wanna remind our viewers, and this, because I was actually just tell speaking with an Uber driver [00:05:00] about this earlier today, is that unlike influenza, COVID has this very or, uh, coronavirus or CCP virus as we call it at epoch times.

Um, it has a very interesting characteristic, which is. children don't transmit it, and they also are at extremely low risk from it. In fact, you know, at some of the low ages, it's basically statistically zero. So it is just unbelievable that these interventions went, which obviously are gonna have an impact happen in this type of

Justin Hart: context, and it would have this, this.

Great psychological effect on kids. I mean, one in five children came up with ideations of, of suicide, especially young women. Um, you think about just the years of education, they got lost. I mean, look, young, you and I were adults. When policies and politics get inserted into our lives, we try to deal with it.

Hopefully we'll bring it to the ballot box the next time it comes around. Our kids don't have that. They also don't get those years back. Right? I was [00:06:00] over at a friend's house and you can talk about the impact on kids. His child, who was then in second grade was coloring a target type of coupon book and there were all these pictures of kids and everything else, and he was dutifully taking a marker and putting a mask on all of the kids' faces because he thought that's how they should be.

The psychological impact on our kids thinking that they're a vector of disease, when, as you pointed out, there's really very little evidence, and in fact, a lot of evidence, they become a break on the disease. I'm just astounding what sort of, um, clawback we're gonna have to do with these kids. Uh, the, the, the rules are in, I mean, the results are in, we're seeing.

the, the math studies, the math scores have gone back now by a decade as far as the improvements that we used to see and kids getting back into school. I talked to our preschool teachers that, uh, we had our kids at. They're now in kindergarten. They're seeing like rampage rages of biting [00:07:00] because kids didn't learn those key social cues cuz their faces were masked.

Also, consider this, we believe from two studies that were done that we probably missed. 250,000 cases y of potential domestic abuse, child abuse, spouse abuse. Why? Because it's typically sharp eye teachers and administrators who catch those things and call those out, and kids weren't in school. And then when kids get back into school, how many bruises on mom's face did we miss because masks were required at drop off.

Those are things that you don't think about the impacts, but those are very. And very lasting. Scott

Jan Jakielek: Atlas, when I first, around the time I first met him, he was saying it's unforgivable that as a society we use children as shields for adults. And I, I could never shake that, that. Thought

Justin Hart: it really is [00:08:00] devastating.

Um, our, our team was fortunate enough, and this is where he kind of got our claim to fame later, was we were the main support team for Scott Atlas when he was at the White House. We were approached by several of his colleagues at Stanford saying, Scott needs some help here. What can you do pro bono? Every morning from July of 2020 to the end of that year, we would get calls from Scott.

We would get texts from him, and the team would go to work. He's going to St. Louis. He needs to know what are the excess death rates there? What are you seeing as far as cases going? He had very little support there. Whereas the stalwarts who had their entire teams, like Dr. Fauci and Dr. Burkes, were producing massive documents every day.

We tried to meet. Eventually our charts would make it to the pressers where President Trump would law them and Scott Atlas would handle the presser. We were very proud of the work we did there. But you come to talk to Scott and you realize just the, the complete surprise he had at the lack of quality and the lack of, of real [00:09:00] prowess there was at the White House.

To put it bluntly, I had a conversation with Scott one time and uh, I was tired to. Find the best interpretation. What's the kind dis interpretation I can find for why Dr. Fauci and Dr. Burkes aren't turning the ship around? Scott had been completely successful in decimating the instigation of the lockdowns and school closures.

Why aren't they changing policies? As we got closer and closer to that vital election mm-hmm. and Scott, I said, Scott, maybe they're, they're just having trouble saving face. That was my interpretation. He said, no, Justin, you need to. . These people unfortunately are not smart. Some of them are dumb . I'm like, oh, no.

Uh, it, it really is the case that while these people have been experts in their field, they probably are behind the ball on the latest information, especially when it comes out so quickly and when their policy implications are so vast.[00:10:00]