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Mo's avatar

The fact that he's STILL openly positive about how great the injections were has turned me off. Not saying I'm a huge DeSantis fan either, although I do admire some of the things he did. I don't trust anyone at this point.

Lloyd Miller's avatar

Trump is totally off his rocker regarding the vaxxxx. He is basically endorsing genocide.

Mo's avatar

Oh, good grief, let's not get that extreme. I'm sure he has no clue what he's doing. Operation Warp Speed was his "baby" during his time in office. He cares about himself. He will never admit any mistake because it makes him look bad. I thought it would be different in this case. So far, I've been wrong.

Glenda's avatar

Should have made damn sure he “knew” before he started this Boulder rolling downhill. No Excuses. He had Scott Atlas and Bobby Kennedy, Jr. in advisory positions and either ran them off or rejected their advice. Would he do something like that again? Absolutely. Whatever panders to his ego (and/or his campaign) will win out over any ethical and reliable advice from a panel of true experts.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

I suppose YOU would have done better, had you suddenly faced that pandemic?

Lloyd Miller's avatar

Yeah. I didn't mean he is consciously endorsing genocide, but it amounts to that. On top of everything else, what if the Establishment starts to admit the vaxxx damage? The Johns Hopkins SPARS report predicts just that! Trump will be toast.

Heather LibertyCricket's avatar

Make sure you see my comment backing you up. At this point in time, to continue endorsing the shots or lockdowns is endorsing genocide. At this point in time to not acknowledge the limited power of the executive branch of power is a problem . the truth of the evidence now backs up your claims and there are no grounds to sue you for what you said.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

My God. "Have you no shame?" to say he's endorsing genocide? How can you not mean to say that if that's what you wrote and you haven't deleted it? You deserve to be sued for that. I'm an attorney and I hope Trump does that. God have mercy on your soul. Even people who hate Trump admit that he loves his country and people.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

What? You are accusing a former President of the United States of genocide???

Jennifer Jones's avatar

How can you say that? I wouldn't be surprised if you are not sued for that.

Lloyd Miller's avatar

Last thing they would want would be "discovery" in court on that topic.

Glenda's avatar

Everyone is free to say what they want. We’re still Americans 🇺🇸 . Following facts leading to truths is unassailable.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

You are incorrect. Trump is not still "positive." You have not kept up. I have.

Mo's avatar

If you have video or other evidence of him in any way admitting these injections were not as effective as first advertised and acknowlegding some of the harms, feel free to provide it. Otherwise, stop speaking to me like I am stupid. Thank you.

Lioness of Judah Ministry's avatar

They are ALL in it together. Wake up people...

The Hegelian Dialectic Process: One and the SAME. The Devil's Most Powerful Tool:

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/the-hegelian-dialectic-process-one

Lloyd Miller's avatar

The conspiracy's plans are effective because they are thought out in detail and THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN IS AND WHAT they are actually doing! Real organic oppositions is surprised and confused, desperately trying to get it right. The opposition doesn't have to be planned and coordinated to be ineffective.

Lioness of Judah Ministry's avatar

Both sides of the narrative are controlled, whether we like it or not

Lloyd Miller's avatar

That is an assumption. That opposition if confused and ineffective does not mean it is controlled though it might mean "poison pills" have been accepted that undermine resistance.

TSMe's avatar

Read Covid19 And The Global Predators: We Are The Prey by Breggin.

Trump was fooled, all too easily, by those responsible for this manufactured pandemic and the deliberately destructive response to it.

His character flaws made him vulnerable to being duped, and unable to admit he has been fooled. Worse, his character flaws see him continue (3 yrs later) to reach deeper to justify and even exalt his actions.

Not only does this mean he is likely to do the same again, but, it is highly unlikely he will have any interest in holding those responsible for this gross tyranny to account.

This alone makes him a very poor candidate for 2024.

Having said that, he is a far better option than Biden/Harris.

Far worse than DeSantis or Kennedy.

Cruising Economist's avatar

Trump clearly trusted people he shouldn't have and he didn't understand what a pit of self serving megalomaniacs he was in. But Trump isn't the fundamental problem...DC is.

JealousPhinehas's avatar

I will vote for DeSantis first, RFK second, and Trump never. I will stay home before I vote for Donald. I honestly do not understand what the high-information, pro-Donald case is supposed to be anymore. I do not think such a case exists. What is the lasting policy that Donald implemented that we are thankful for currently? I can think of nothing. Nearly the only lasting gifts Donald left us is his insane totalitarian police state and inflation hell. He was supposed to be the swamp-draining, DC wrecking ball; now he's best buds with every swamp critter and usually endorses AGAINST the more conservative candidates. His military leadership openly disregarded his demands to prevent trans military service; he did nothing in response. His covid team destroyed the country by a thousand cuts, and he gave them awards as he left office. He left J6'ers, Snowden, Assange, etc. to rot. Donald is blowhard child-man who usually succeeds only in driving his opposition to action. He has no focus, no follow-through, no moral compass, no grounding principles and no courage when it comes to defending anything but himself.

reality speaks's avatar

I am with you in all regards. RFK jr is sounding better all the time he needs to reach across the isle for a Republican running mate. Tim Scott would be a great person to consider. DeSantis needs Tulsi Gabbard.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

You are incorrect about many facts. Opinions you are entitled to, as long as you do not defame him.

JealousPhinehas's avatar

Half of the man's political strategy is defaming others. "Lyin' Ted", "Little Marco", "Ron DeSanctimonious", etc. Many flat out lies. I imagine you, as a Christian, have almost never in your life treated someone else as poorly as Donald does openly on a daily basis. His press releases are pure ad hominem garbage often. I could find many press releases of his that I'm near certain you could not defend morally, they are so childish. Why do say you love a man that treats other people like crap, all of the time?

Jennifer Jones's avatar

I am thankful for his putting pro-life justices on the Supreme Court. It is estimated since Roe v Wade was overturned that 6 million babies' lives were saved.

Lloyd Miller's avatar

For some reason, I remember Trump saying, "You don't lockdown America," but then waffling under the tremendous pressure of the MSM and Establishment. Admittedly, whatever the case, he was a failed (as planned) in dealing with the Plandemic. I was waiting for wholesale FIRINGS, but he didn't have the courage. He even says now the MSM would have gone crazy. So what? I say.

Freedom Fox's avatar

He described the MSM as "The Enemy of the People." So he surrendered to the People's enemy? A tactical withdrawal? How is that working out?

I concede that he didn't have the public's support to go against the MSM - once the pandemic narrative had set in. But he had his best chance at the beginning, to say, "we have nothing to fear but fear itself," and "we will bear any burden, pay any price for the cause of liberty."

Which is why in times of doubt a great American leader would lean into freedom vs. totalitarianism. In the absence of clear and compelling evidence, a demonstrably quantifiable benefit that has gone through extensive cost-benefit analysis, no rights or liberties can ever be taken away, even in a crisis. Especially in a crisis.

Trump failed that test. Only the fact that most all others failed the test even worse than him allows him to remain a viable candidate.

DeSantis has his baggage and burdens I could lay out, as well. His reversal of pandemic restrictions were mostly rhetorical, not acquiring the force of law and compliance until months, years after he made bold pronouncements. His association with the true villains and oppressors now, funded by Big Pharma and globalists, trans-insanity, DEI/CRT activists trying to knock out Trump but who will jump from his ship the day after the RNC nomination is secured, if he were to prevail over Trump, those flaws in DeSantis weigh heavy against his features.

RFK Jr is probably the least tainted. Although he has his own taint.

Lloyd Miller's avatar

Correct! Trump had the right instincts, but repeatedly failed to act on them. I don't remember him firing anyone. . .as I sat hoping for the way he "acted" on the Apprentice! His error was thinking going along would help him get along. Clearly, the Establishment was already totally opposing him. How could actually fighting make things worse? He had his chance and failed. DeSantis was a little better in my view. Nothing to write home about, however. RFK, Jr. is totally useless due to his acceptance of the Malthusian environmentalist and "climate change" propaganda. He accepts the WEF religion on those matters.

Freedom Fox's avatar

I, too, wanted the Apprentice set in the White House where he'd broadcast the "you're fired" moment to his treacherous and seditious cabinet members. Alas.

But I'd caution you to not dismiss the company DeSantis is keeping these days. If you hold that against RFK Jr as severely as you do I'd suggest you look at who DeSantis is barking and clapping his flippers like a trained seal for these days. From where I sit RFK Jr isn't the trained, leashed seal that DeSantis has transformed into.

We don't have perfect choices. I straddle my support between Trump and RFK Jr. DeSantis had been my flavor of the day before he became a trained seal. I hate such blatant inauthenticity.

JealousPhinehas's avatar

Trump failed the covid test worse than others. Trump set the tone and the other's followed suit. Trump loaned Tony Fauci the Presidential bully pulpit for two years. Republican politicians couldn't protest the covid restrictions because the Republican god-king Donald was backing them. In a lot of ways, I think the Republican response to covid would have been better had Hillary Clinton been President; then they wouldn't have had to fight against their own.

The only thing that keeps Donald a viable candidate right now is that the power's that be know Donald is the gift horse that can win a Republican primary but will likely bomb in the general election. Also, most of the population is still horribly ignorant about the level of abuse, illegality, and deception occurred during covid.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

What "keeps Donald viable" are the people like myself who know him personally, love him, and believe in him. The "powers that be" want him in jail for life. Would you be willing to run again knowing if you ran, the "powers that be" would indict you over and over, determined for you to spend the rest of your life in jail?

Freedom Fox's avatar

I don't take issue with much of what you wrote about Trump setting the tone, not firing Fauci, etc. But, he did say "open back up" and "no mandates" before most all of the rest. While Trump went partial totalitarian, the others went full totalitarian. And haven't reversed course. Retaining their right to go full totalitarian at their own whim, precedent set and accepted by the majority in their jurisdictions.

But, yes, Trump is guilty of original sin. That which set the rest in motion. Which is why you never let the demon horse of fear out of the barn as he did. It's nearly impossible to corral once on the run, rampaging through a nation. His lockdowns were an indulgence in fear as an emotional tool he could control; it is uncontrollable. And he lacked the wisdom and study of history to understand that.

I hold out the possibility that by opening that barn door to the wild stallion of fear he allowed the totalitarians in our midst to reveal themselves. They didn't just fall into totalitarianism. They had their own plans at the ready, their own ambitions and agendas to capitalize on fear running wild through the countryside. He didn't put those in place, they had them there, Event 201 and other exercises were already prepared to be deployed against free people.

IF his actions were the necessary prerequisite to flush the quislings from the bush before they were ready to reveal themselves, a jolt of heat in the pot of water that was slowly being raised on the oblivious frogs within it, then I would reserve my harsh judgement for the man's actions. Intentionally or foolishly, it was in God's hands all along. Perhaps using Trump's ego and personality to wake us up from our comfortable slumber before it was too late. Because at the end of the day, God is in control. And he works in mysterious ways to protect his children.

JealousPhinehas's avatar

Worth reading:

https://brownstone.org/articles/what-happened-when-georgia-governor-tried-to-open/

Trump said his lockdown saved 2+ million lives, years afterwards. He said it in the debates and elsewhere. He still says it to this day, as far as I know. I give him ZERO credit for years of ,"My lockdown saved 2+ million lives, but some people did them for too long." The precedent this set, maybe for decades to come, is horrendous, and he owns it.

I give him ZERO credit for 2+ years of saying "Warp Speed saved 20+ million lives! It's the greatest vaccine ever!", then he offers up a throwaway line once about "By the way, there shouldn't be mandates." He personally oiled the vaccine mandate machine 10,000 times and then he tapped on the breaks for 2 seconds. I'm really supposed to give him credit for that?

Yes, I believe all things work together for good for those who love God. I also believe God tends to grant wicked people with wicked leadership as judgement. Given how our nation en masse seems happy to perpetually spit in God's face, it doesn't seem particularly mysterious to me that God has given us leadership that's determined to drive us off a cliff. Though it is my strong preference that we would awake from our slumber, I've seen no sign of it. I think it's more likely that Donald's leadership is judgement upon us rather than a heavenly gift. But yes, God is in control and whatever comes to pass is for the benefit of those who love Him, even if we can't see how.

Lloyd Miller's avatar

"God" created a world RED IN TOOTH AND CLAW. Actually, I reject the normal concept of GOD because the world is RED IN TOOTH AND CLAW.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

Trump also said during the "15 days" that he thought we'd be "finished with the lockdown by Easter." You really should check your facts.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

Did you know that Fauci, Birx, and Robert Redfield told the Oval Office that they'd made a pact that if one of them was fired, the other two would also quit?

Lloyd Miller's avatar

No! But that would have great! Imagine, 3-for-one.

Chris's avatar

I agree with the article for the most part but it’s clear that those around Trump, including special advisers, where all saying the same things so it narrowed significantly the types of questions would likely ask.

Trump was clearly bounced/manoeuvred into a view point / mindset that curtailed any meaningful questioning.

By the looks of things all major world leaders went down the same rabbit hole.

I remember trump deriding the “china” virus and also talking about cheap interventions like ivermectin. These things where against the grain of the officials and derided by all media outlets as is to say this buffoon has no clue.

I detect the same tone now in many articles including this one.

I’m truly no trump supporter, but I also detest being lied to. Major world leaders where duped all at the same time but they don’t want admit it.

Not many world leaders from Covid still in power. Most have resigned or been voted out.

UK could see a 4th pm by Xmas.

Instead of going after Trump of Johnson, why is the media not going after Ferguson

TSMe's avatar

I agree with much of what you say.

However, Trump's inexcusable failings is his complete inability to acknowledge what you point out. He was fooled. Admittedly by a very well organised, and pervasive, foe. But fooled none the less.

He can be forgiven for that, but he cannot be excused for his continued ignorance of what occurred. Made worse by his self praise for his foolish actions.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

He did that, yes, but it has been 10 months since he did. I listen and watch him very closely. He no longer self-praises for that, and a person who is one degree from him says that yes, he realizes it now. Why is he not talking about that? Probably because he's being persecuted for life imprisonment from all angles. That's where I'd have my attention, if I were him.

Freedom Fox's avatar

All pre-pandemic planning guides said do not enact travel bans for pandemic influenza. Noting that they are ineffective at preventing spread of airborne respiratory illnesses. And knowing that travel bans become purely political exercises. The WHO, CDC, all international plans pre-2020 saying, "when nations blame other nations for the spread of infectious disease (this class of contagion) that they don't have any control over, that nation's leaders then blame their own people for spread of infectious disease they don't have any control over, resulting in a loss of civil liberties and a dangerous turn into totalitarianism." Their own guidelines. Basically saying "shit rolls down hill," leaders will blame shift, scapegoat in order to appear effective and in control in a crisis that they aren't even able to control. Appearances.

CCP China even said as much after Trump initiated his travel ban from China. First pleading for cooler heads to prevail, then saying that the pandemic would provide the world a comparison/contrast between democratic individualism and authoritarian collectivism systems in a crisis, believing the final outcome would favor their heavy-handed central-planned pandemic strategies. Asserting that "both systems have pluses and minuses, and while democratic individualism provides for more creativity and innovation in normal times, authoritarian collectivism is preferred in a crisis by people wanting to be led under a firm, decisive hand."

I'll hand it to them, the Chinese understood human psychology when in the grips of mass fear, the majority of people, even in western liberal democracies, have gravitated towards authoritarianism since 2020. I even came across official Chinese English-language editorials that said western democracies would be wise to stick with their style of governance through a crisis, only make a change in systems when a crisis had passed. Cautioning that changing systems in the middle of a crisis would lead to poor outcomes, divisiveness, a worse outcome than if they stuck with what their citizens were used to. "Dance with the one who brung you." Not the time to change suitors. More wise counsel. From our most powerful adversary. That we ignored. Out of ignorance or willfulness.

reality speaks's avatar

Trump failures in regards to Covid-19 is the reason the Republicans need to choose someone else as their candidate. The fact remains that Trump was finally challenged with having to show critical thinking and he failed the test. He thought he could bullshit his way through Covid-19. He failed to realize the liar and snake that was Tony Fauci who funded the research with my tax dollars. His failure to find that out and fire him is all we need to know. The party that nominates someone besides Trump or Biden wins in 2024.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

As someone else here said, he couldn't fire Fauci, Birx or Redfield.

reality speaks's avatar

He hired Birx and put her in the position she had read Scott atlas book. All three needed to go. Fauci knew he funded the research that spawned Covid-19. Redfield knew it was engineered and remained quiet and allowed Fauci to continue to lie. Brix was and is incompetent just read Scott Atlas book. Trump got challenged with Covid-19 and he failed the test. He is not the way forward.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

Birx was actually CIA. Don't give her a pass. All leaders of all countries were duped. Trump tried very hard.

E. Grogan's avatar

Fauci is part of Senior Executive Services - a federal employees group that has favored status which means they CANNOT be fired/ have their job terminated. Not even the president of the U.S. can fire these people. There is no way Trump could have fired him. You might have noticed that Trump NEVER endorsed the lockdowns; in fact it was up to the governors to say whether or not they would enforce the lockdowns. If you want to blame someone blame the governor of every single state which endorsed the lockdowns, mask-wearing, etc. Trump followed our constitution, where our 10th amendment says basically that whatever is not enumerated in the Constitution is up to the individual states. Trump knows he does not have training in how to handle a pandemic. Why didn't he stop the unconstitutional lockdowns? It really isn't his job, it's up to the governors and We the People to make our voices heard. Sadly, most people caved to fear and wore masks, stayed home, etc. I was one who raised my voice and tried to spread truth - which is that it's unconstitutional to take our freedoms away, the masks don't work because holes in mask are too small to keep out the virus, etc. No one wanted to hear it and I very nearly got arrested for merely speaking truth. I also stood up to our town mayor and told her if she forced the jab on firefighters and police it was crimes against humanity, you aren't allowed to force any medical procedure on anyone. She and the entire City Council turned white when I said that. Result was that no one was forced to take the jab. That's what I did to try to protect our freedoms. What did you do, I'd be interested to know.

Ted's avatar

"He seemed to have no intellectual curiosity, no sense of history, no nuance or depth, no wisdom, not a modicum of humility to ask questions."

And that is characteristic of a certain type of businessman's management style, Justin.

Yes, he brought in Dr. Atlas, but when we investigate what is available about the group dynamic involving Trump, Birx, Fauci and Atlas, another characteristic of that same management style appears. Rather than engaging, investigating and leading, President Trump set his subordinates against each other, incentivizing the most vicious and underhanded infighter to "win." We see this same dynamic playing out everywhere in business. There are strong parallels to Eric Berne's description of the psychosocial game "let's you and him fight."

President Trump brought a bit of rational business thinking to public policy and regularly "said the quiet part out loud." Many admire him for that and no wonder; the nation has wearied of political double-speak and gaslighting. That said, it's a positive thing to have the old "run the country like a business" trope finally placed in perspective. There are limitations to the government-as-business conceptual model. It' a very useful, even essential model, but it cannot solve every problem.

On the other hand, that whole "teflon" aspect is understandable, considering how any admission of error is inevitably seen as a sign of weakness and the jackals immediately spring from all sides, rending and tearing in coordinated attack.

We have brought all of this on ourselves, to a great degree, by allowing imperial presidencies and failing to censure the bipartisan legislative junta that passed the USA Patriot Act without bothering to read it. Much of the constitutional corrosion we currently face, was the result of that passage. It wasn't entirely a matter of the corruption written into the bill, it was also the signalling and precedent set; any pretense of legislative deliberation evaporated, and few even expect deliberation any longer.

Mind you, it's not that thoughtful deliberation has ever been a defining trait of legislators, but that pretense allowed a soupcon of accountability, however limited in scope and effect.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

And what did YOU do to help in the pandemic, other than your pride of your "intellectual curiosity?"

Ted's avatar

I worked twelve to fourteen hour days after half the company was laid off, Jennifer, six and seven days a week, for the better part of a year. As an "essential worker," I was issued a pass to show law enforcement that I was allowed to leave my home. It was my duty and my privilege to do my utmost to keep the organization alive so that colleagues had something to come back to, so that they and I could feed and house ourselves.

If you disagree with any points I made, please do respond with logic and reasonable rebuttal or addition; there may well be something there that is thoughtful and could spark learning or bring wisdom.

The ad hominem, however, provides no wisdom, nor information that might show me something I had not considered and could lead to a deeper understanding.

Susan G's avatar

Thank you for this. I feel I'm a lone voice and the cult of Trump surrounds me. The indictments are not justified. Neither is supporting him in this presidential run.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

I don't think you are lone. Most people writing people are expressing animosity towards him.

Cruising Economist's avatar

Everyone is wasting their time here. The pitiful puppet is going to be reinstalled. Americans no longer have a say since the monsters who've seized power in DC now know they can simply commit blatant systemic election fraud. Those who can should be looking into exiting the disaster area that is the US.

Jennifer Jones's avatar

Personally, I would enjoy living in the Caribbean, but I don't think I'd get my Social Security check there.

Cruising Economist's avatar

If you gain a Caribbean citizenship and renounce US citizenship you still receive your social security payments (but not military benefits). And you can use your new passport to get permanent residence elsewhere if you want, as most do. None of the CBI programs in the region require your residence. In fact you never even need to visit the country to get citizenship. And note, once your renuncitation is officially recorded, which can take a few months, you can return to the US on a tourist visa, within constraints of the visa of course.

Cruising Economist's avatar

I should note I don't want to make the process sound like a breeze. It isn't, even for someone who's circumstances are relatively simple. The many choices which must be made and sequence of actions required demands considerable research beforehand. Some hire consultants to help them through the process (particularly if business and/or tax issues are complex) but I think it fair to say anyone who knows how to do some homework can sort most of it out for themselves. You will be required to hire an attorney in the CBI country in any case. Note, in virtually any other country you could free yourself from the central power by simply expatriating but to be free of DC you MUST renounce US citizenship for tax and a variety of regulatory reasons, which will become ever more onerous and invasive in the future no doubt. I suspect at some point DC will make leaving very difficult or impossible for most, as with all authoritarian regimes. We actually have a Constitutional right to renounce but the self installed regime doesn't care about Constitutional constraints or rights of the American people, as was clearly demonstrated by their commission of systemic election fraud.

Legallady4's avatar

Trump is a Q-fantasy--a character crowned with savior-like status. It has been one of the more disturbing things to watch--people buying into “the plan.”

Jennifer Jones's avatar

I don't buy into the plan or Q or his being a Savior. He has many many faults just like every one of us. I think, though, he is the best to quickly fix our economy, settle the Ukraine war, close the border, crush the totalitarian Deep State, and restore our First, Fourth and Eighth Amendment Rights. NO ONE else, not even Kennedy, would be willing to risk what Trump's risking to crush them.

CAM's avatar

The manipulation of public policy and narrative surrounding COVID-19 was (and still is) exactly the same as how Global Cooling/Global Warming/Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change/Climate Crisis is conducted. As with the very sudden turnaround in the 1980's with climate, the Administration and "science" completely ignored the published guidance, recently updated, from the WHO advising AGAINST broad lock-down measures as a means of controlling viral spread, or the 70+ years of studies showing that face coverings and most masks do little to nothing in reducing the spread of respiratory viruses.